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Spell mastery and resisting spells

July 7, 2013 6:37:34 PM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

I  am playing a mage that has a spell mastery of close to 130, and a hero with a lower spell mastery. Every time he cast shrink, the target doesn't resist, yet when i cast spells, it seems like it's  50/50 tossup whether of not the target resists. I know that it's just the luck of the roll, but can someone please clarify once and for all how  to calculate the chance to resist a spell effect. 

 

I believe it's like this: Spell caster has a mastery of 130, target has a mastery of 70, so in this example the target has a 40% chance to resists.

(130-70=60 --> 100-60=40%), and if my mastery increases to 140, the targets chance to resist is 30% 140-70=70 --> 100-70=30%

Is this the correct way to calculate it?

 

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Borg999
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Reply #1 July 7, 2013 6:40:53 PM
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Yes, that is how it should work. Although there is always a 5% chance to hit even against massive spell resist.

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Reply #2 July 7, 2013 6:58:50 PM
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Quoting Heavenfall,
reply 1

Yes, that is how it should work. Although there is always a 5% chance to hit even against massive spell resist.

 

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Reply #3 July 8, 2013 3:34:19 AM
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So, magic resist only affect damage of magical sources and helps nothing against spell effects? Just curious, because I also do not understand the mechanics very well.

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Reply #4 July 8, 2013 4:00:10 AM
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Spell mastery increases the chance to hit any offensive spell that can be resisted. Spell resist decreases the chance to hit any offensive spell that can be resisted.

You can find out in the Hiergamenon if a spell can be resisted or not. Often it says something in the spell description as well.

Then there is "lightning resist", cold, fire, poison. Those directly reduce the damage from that type of damage, and only that.

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Reply #5 July 8, 2013 4:39:48 AM
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Many  thanks, that was helpful!

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Reply #6 July 8, 2013 5:02:37 AM
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You definitely cannot resist shrink, which can make it quite powerful against big scary monsters with high attack and high magic resistance.

I assume this is intentional, as otherwise it would be a pretty marginal use of an action when you have other bigger and better spells and abilities to use.

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Reply #7 July 8, 2013 11:01:26 AM
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Quoting merlinme,
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You definitely cannot resist shrink, which can make it quite powerful against big scary monsters with high attack and high magic resistance.

Shrink should be resistible, as it has the <isResistable>1</isResistable>. I'm certain I've seen my own units resist Shrink before, as the Darkling Shamans used to like to cast it.

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Reply #8 July 8, 2013 11:43:30 AM
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Actually after I typed that Shrink wasn't resistible I wondered if I was correct. To be precise, when I gave one of my heroes the weapon which shrinks opponents, it did not appear to be resistible. However skills, items and spells do not necessarily follow the same rules. The Darkling hero has Shrink as his special skill, I'm not sure if that is resistible or not. But if joeball has checked and says the spell is resistible then I assume that is correct, for the spell at least.

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Reply #9 July 9, 2013 4:24:31 AM
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I've seen Shrink (the spell) be resisted.

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Reply #10 July 9, 2013 10:16:16 PM
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I believe it's like this: Spell caster has a mastery of 130, target has a mastery of 70, so in this example the target has a 40% chance to resists.

(130-70=60 --> 100-60=40%), and if my mastery increases to 140, the targets chance to resist is 30% 140-70=70 --> 100-70=30%

Is this the correct way to calculate it?

 

I do not believe the target's spell mastery has any effect. You are comparing caster's spell mastery and subtracting defender's spell resist.

There are some units that are magic immune, so your odds in that case are automatically zero.

If any of this is incorrect, I'd be most interested in finding out.

 

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Reply #11 July 10, 2013 6:20:55 AM
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Quoting coyote303,
reply 10
I do not believe the target's spell mastery has any effect. You are comparing caster's spell mastery and subtracting defender's spell resist.

Yes that's correct, I think we were all reading what we expected to see rather than what had actually been written. Spell mastery is compared to the target's spell resistance, not to the target's spell mastery. To be fair, that may have been what Borg999 meant to write anyway.

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Reply #12 July 10, 2013 8:33:38 AM
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Quoting coyote303,
reply 10

I believe it's like this: Spell caster has a mastery of 130, target has a mastery of 70, so in this example the target has a 40% chance to resists.

(130-70=60 --> 100-60=40%), and if my mastery increases to 140, the targets chance to resist is 30% 140-70=70 --> 100-70=30%

Is this the correct way to calculate it?


I do not believe the target's spell mastery has any effect. You are comparing caster's spell mastery and subtracting defender's spell resist.

There are some units that are magic immune, so your odds in that case are automatically zero.

If any of this is incorrect, I'd be most interested in finding out.

 

Wait a minute. if that's true, then a monster with a magic resistance of 30% or less should not be able to resist a spell cast by a mage with a spell mastery of 130.

But they do.

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Reply #13 July 10, 2013 9:18:08 AM
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You always have at least 5% chance to resist or dodge any attack.

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Reply #14 July 10, 2013 3:43:40 PM
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Quoting Heavenfall,
reply 13
You always have at least 5% chance to resist or dodge any attack.

Yea, I remember you mentioned that, but in my current game, it seems like more than 5%.

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